Re: Motorrads Jeff Ward engine build series 2 and 3
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:56 pm
DoldGuy comment:
What chamber volume or CR & width are you running? As Motorrad noted my squish was setup pretty loose (it measured .065") and this is going to be one of the areas I will be testing in the future. From reading some of your replies your not just running the bike for 2 minutes & shutting it down, which makes me curious how it's living with it that tight. Also curious if it's got low CR from a small trapped volume from a long duration smoke hole?
Motorrad:
That's the impression I get from BDI also. A hill shooter that rides the dunes also, if not moreso... Dunes are on/off the gas more than a desert race... Pure dunes motors don't live long in open desert. But still interesting...
Kaw Rider comment:
if you take a head at .065 and cut it down to .030 if will run cooler.
Motorrad:
Just to be 100% clear. The numbers you guys are stating is total squish? That is what I'm referring to.
I have heard people say squish before and they were only talkig about the step in the head (gasket surface to out edge of chamber). I know my head was about a .028 step.....
My comments:
Motorrad is referring to his first engine build..
Motorrad:
First time.. I could have... and should have had controll... there is no excuse for me not testing it before I took it out... "new" motor by big name guy or not....I had the pipe off, to look at piston and bore.. I should have leak down'ed it then and there.... We all have our moments of stupid and Gullable....
Second time.. well hard to forsee (at the time) exploding bearings. etc etc etc... (yes I leak down tested when It got to me, and passed)..
On a good note...
Got all my KIPS parts in at the dealer today... as most needed replace... (center flap, idle gear, and the alum insert guide thinggys).. You wouldnt believe how much slop there was... even though it all didnt look "that worn". Put in the idler gear retainer (alum piece) and you can see the gears still from the gaps!.. Yikes.. new one.. no gaps. Also had to order O-rings, the ones in it were too large... Quick touchup with a flapwheel on the center flap to get rid of most of the casting BLaH.. Dont go too far... would take away alot of material to get it all....
So as soon as KAW Riders fancy shmasy Stealth kips bolt hits my door... thats all done and ready to bolt on.. GOTTA Go stealth... Its the only way!.. More fun when you beat the doors off guys at the hill... and tell em its a stock motor.. .
Found out after having my crank for a month now, my crank guy still hasnt touched it... since he is in the middle of doing all his road race stuff... UGG.... but he promiced to get on it this week... and also balance it for me CHEAP for waiting... Which IN hindsight... is probly a VERY good idea... The crank stuffers, and wiseco piston combo probly has the balance factor thrown WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD...
What chamber volume or CR & width are you running? As Motorrad noted my squish was setup pretty loose (it measured .065") and this is going to be one of the areas I will be testing in the future. From reading some of your replies your not just running the bike for 2 minutes & shutting it down, which makes me curious how it's living with it that tight. Also curious if it's got low CR from a small trapped volume from a long duration smoke hole?
Motorrad:
That's the impression I get from BDI also. A hill shooter that rides the dunes also, if not moreso... Dunes are on/off the gas more than a desert race... Pure dunes motors don't live long in open desert. But still interesting...
Kaw Rider comment:
if you take a head at .065 and cut it down to .030 if will run cooler.
Motorrad:
Just to be 100% clear. The numbers you guys are stating is total squish? That is what I'm referring to.
I have heard people say squish before and they were only talkig about the step in the head (gasket surface to out edge of chamber). I know my head was about a .028 step.....
My comments:
Motorrad is referring to his first engine build..
Motorrad:
First time.. I could have... and should have had controll... there is no excuse for me not testing it before I took it out... "new" motor by big name guy or not....I had the pipe off, to look at piston and bore.. I should have leak down'ed it then and there.... We all have our moments of stupid and Gullable....
Second time.. well hard to forsee (at the time) exploding bearings. etc etc etc... (yes I leak down tested when It got to me, and passed)..
On a good note...
Got all my KIPS parts in at the dealer today... as most needed replace... (center flap, idle gear, and the alum insert guide thinggys).. You wouldnt believe how much slop there was... even though it all didnt look "that worn". Put in the idler gear retainer (alum piece) and you can see the gears still from the gaps!.. Yikes.. new one.. no gaps. Also had to order O-rings, the ones in it were too large... Quick touchup with a flapwheel on the center flap to get rid of most of the casting BLaH.. Dont go too far... would take away alot of material to get it all....
So as soon as KAW Riders fancy shmasy Stealth kips bolt hits my door... thats all done and ready to bolt on.. GOTTA Go stealth... Its the only way!.. More fun when you beat the doors off guys at the hill... and tell em its a stock motor.. .
Found out after having my crank for a month now, my crank guy still hasnt touched it... since he is in the middle of doing all his road race stuff... UGG.... but he promiced to get on it this week... and also balance it for me CHEAP for waiting... Which IN hindsight... is probly a VERY good idea... The crank stuffers, and wiseco piston combo probly has the balance factor thrown WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD...