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Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:22 am
by Friar-Tuck
Great work guys! Thanks again for sharing. There's no way I would have the time, tools or denaro to do this kind of stuff, let alone the genius
of these projects!
It's Like McDonalds Man,
I'm Just Love'in It :lol:
Tuck \o/

Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:04 am
by Sandblaster
Motorrad is the brains, I just have lots of parts in my junk piles :-)

Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:19 am
by Motorrad
Sandblaster wrote:Motorrad is the brains, I just have lots of parts in my junk piles :-)

How the he'll did I become the brains behind k5 stuff? I get tons of emails and pm's every day asking questions, or just flat out begging me to build motors...

I'm just some dumb kid with a dirt bike... Heck. I bet I'm one of the youngest guys on KXriders


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Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:02 am
by Sandblaster
Since you asked I'll give it my best shot.
1. You have wrote one of the most comprehensive engine builds I have seen to date.
If you were closer I would sit down with you and write a scary K5 engine build that would blow peoples minds.
I might attempt it anyway. More on that later.
2. You have raised many valid questions and then did not leave us hanging with half baked inconsistent answers.
3. You have raised the Bike IQ of countless bikers, myself included.
4. Your idea's and incites have proved valid and helpful.
I know that you have kept me from wasting a ton of dough.

Hey, why not open a bike and ATV shop?
You certainly have the skills...
Then you can start getting paid for your expertise :)
Seriously, you should consider it...

Then again if your bored I have a couple of K5 engine builds that need doing 8-)

Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:11 am
by Friar-Tuck
Hey Rad,
Why don't you put together an E-Book / Manual. I think there is some software on amazon that will publish
in print after you sell a certain amount of E-Books. And Hey- All your testing , parts , tools, and research etc.
could be a "Business Expense"
The possibilities are endless :mrgreen:

Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:54 pm
by Sandblaster
+1
Think of all the things you could buy for your bikes and then you could tell your wife, "Hey, it's a business expense" :D

On KXriders.com Motorrad posted this bit of info that should help you decide what clearance to run on your water pump cover to impeller:

Guess since it looks like people might actually do this one... instead of just just humoring my tinfoil hat wearing rants.... I should give what I think should be the service spec..

If I had to write a service spec in a Clymer manual. It would be

.012"-.020"


I agree with that spec.
On mine just to be on the safe side, after I get the impeller shimmed to what I think is correct, I will gently turn the motor over a few times to be sure that the impeller is not hitting anything.
I know it should go without saying but better to be said then to have someone trash their impeller or worse :shock:

Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:45 pm
by Sandblaster
Mr Motorrad.
What do you think about rounding some of these edges:
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Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:04 am
by Friar-Tuck
Laminar Flow = Mo Flo ....No?
S.B. have you ever had one of the Boyesen Supercooler watepump cover / impeller come in the shop?

http://www.boyesen.com/supercooler-spectra-kits-offroad
http://boyesen.com/supercooler-kits-offroad
http://www.dirtrider.com/tests/gear/141 ... _pump_kit/

Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:05 am
by Sandblaster
I get them on great occasion but never for the big K5 or it would be on my bike :D
What bike do you need one for?

For those who don't know what laminar flow is, here is the wikipedia version:
Laminar flow (or streamline flow) occurs when a fluid flows in parallel layers, with no disruption between the layers.[1] At low velocities the fluid tends to flow without lateral mixing, and adjacent layers slide past one another like playing cards. There are no cross currents perpendicular to the direction of flow, nor eddies or swirls of fluids.[2] In laminar flow the motion of the particles of fluid is very orderly with all particles moving in straight lines parallel to the pipe walls.[3] In fluid dynamics, laminar flow is a flow regime characterized by high momentum diffusion and low momentum convection.

When a fluid is flowing through a closed channel such as a pipe or between two flat plates, either of two types of flow may occur depending on the velocity of the fluid: laminar flow or turbulent flow. Laminar flow tends to occur at lower velocities, below the onset of turbulent flow. Turbulent flow is a less orderly flow regime that is characterised by eddies or small packets of fluid particles which result in lateral mixing. [2] In nonscientific terms laminar flow is "smooth", while turbulent flow is "rough".

The type of flow occurring in a fluid in a channel is important in fluid dynamics problems. The dimensionless Reynolds number is an important parameter in the equations that describe whether flow conditions lead to laminar or turbulent flow. In the case of flow through a straight pipe with a circular cross-section, at a Reynolds number below the critical value of approximately 2040[4] fluid motion will ultimately be laminar, whereas at larger Reynolds number the flow can be turbulent. The Reynolds number delimiting laminar and turbulent flow depends on the particular flow geometry, and moreover, the transition from laminar flow to turbulence can be sensitive to disturbance levels and imperfections present in a given configuration.

When the Reynolds number is much less than 1, Creeping motion or Stokes flow occurs. This is an extreme case of laminar flow where viscous (friction) effects are much greater than inertial forces. The common application of laminar flow would be in the smooth flow of a viscous liquid through a tube or pipe. In that case, the velocity of flow varies from zero at the walls to a maximum along the centerline of the vessel. The flow profile of laminar flow in a tube can be calculated by dividing the flow into thin cylindrical elements and applying the viscous force to them.[5]

For example, consider the flow of air over an aircraft wing. The boundary layer is a very thin sheet of air lying over the surface of the wing (and all other surfaces of the aircraft). Because air has viscosity, this layer of air tends to adhere to the wing. As the wing moves forward through the air, the boundary layer at first flows smoothly over the streamlined shape of the airfoil. Here the flow is called laminar and the boundary layer is a laminar layer. Prandtl applied the concept of the laminar boundary layer to airfoils in 1904.[6][7]

A laminar flow reactor (LFR) is a reactor that uses laminar flow to study chemical reactions and process mechanisms.

Re: KX500 water pump modification

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:15 am
by Sandblaster
Here is a pic of the Boyesen cover vs a stock cover.
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From what I'm reading and from what I can see they improve the casting so there is less flaws, seams, ect and much larger ports.
It's possible that their impellers have a better design as well as having tighter clearances.
It looks like you want smooth transitions but not a polished surface.
I know someone who can clear this up.....