Building a 91 KX500 engine
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Building a 91 KX500 engine
This is a customers engine that was sent to us for a full rebuild.
On a rebuild the first thing you must do is take it apart and inspect it.
Since this engine was nice and clean we were able to dig right in.
As you disassemble you will notice various problems that cause you to look at other items more carefully for damage as well..
This engine had a new top end installed fairly recently as far as hours go.
Unfortunately it was not done correctly and there are many problems with this engine.
Note on the pic below how the base gasket was sucked in.
Instead of removing the cylinder and replacing the base gasket the previous builder filled in the gap with some orange sealant
So you disrupt the smooth flow of the fuel air mixture with a gasket flapping around in there and probably had a air leak making it run lean.
Watch this video and see if you see a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsK1umAFyUY
Yup.... All bad....
Now, take a look at the pic of the piston below:
What caused that on a recently installed piston?
First off note that the scoring is on the intake side of the piston.
And, there are actually two scoring marks spaced evenly and symmetrically on the piston.
On a rebuild the first thing you must do is take it apart and inspect it.
Since this engine was nice and clean we were able to dig right in.
As you disassemble you will notice various problems that cause you to look at other items more carefully for damage as well..
This engine had a new top end installed fairly recently as far as hours go.
Unfortunately it was not done correctly and there are many problems with this engine.
Note on the pic below how the base gasket was sucked in.
Instead of removing the cylinder and replacing the base gasket the previous builder filled in the gap with some orange sealant
So you disrupt the smooth flow of the fuel air mixture with a gasket flapping around in there and probably had a air leak making it run lean.
Watch this video and see if you see a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsK1umAFyUY
Yup.... All bad....
Now, take a look at the pic of the piston below:
What caused that on a recently installed piston?
First off note that the scoring is on the intake side of the piston.
And, there are actually two scoring marks spaced evenly and symmetrically on the piston.
If bikes are for kids I'll never grow up.
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
Cracked intake bridges were the cause of the piston destruction.
Some people say that they have ran their bike for years with cracked intake bridges and that theirs never had a problem.
And that is possible.
However, some people experience this exact same problem when their intake bridges crack.
Why?
Believe it or not their are internal stresses on the cylinder casting.
This became apparent when I was cutting a KX500 cylinder for display purposes.
You can read more on that here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=481
In any case, when the cylinder heats up and vibrates it can cause the intake bridges to extend into the cylinder bore and start scuffing up the sides of the piston.
Of course a good plating company such as Millennium Technologies can weld up those cracks and much worse damage as well.
Another area that is typically damaged on a KX500 is the clutch cover.
When a guy falls on his right side the rear brake lever pushes into the clutch cover and cracks it.
This one looks like it is not leaking but why take a chance?
We have some special brazing rod that can fix it right up.
Here is another piece of damage that we found that is a little more unusual.
It seems the drum valves were actually wearing on the cases.. We will need to figure out why they are so badly worn and fix the issue as well as fix these cases.
Some people say that they have ran their bike for years with cracked intake bridges and that theirs never had a problem.
And that is possible.
However, some people experience this exact same problem when their intake bridges crack.
Why?
Believe it or not their are internal stresses on the cylinder casting.
This became apparent when I was cutting a KX500 cylinder for display purposes.
You can read more on that here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=481
In any case, when the cylinder heats up and vibrates it can cause the intake bridges to extend into the cylinder bore and start scuffing up the sides of the piston.
Of course a good plating company such as Millennium Technologies can weld up those cracks and much worse damage as well.
Another area that is typically damaged on a KX500 is the clutch cover.
When a guy falls on his right side the rear brake lever pushes into the clutch cover and cracks it.
This one looks like it is not leaking but why take a chance?
We have some special brazing rod that can fix it right up.
Here is another piece of damage that we found that is a little more unusual.
It seems the drum valves were actually wearing on the cases.. We will need to figure out why they are so badly worn and fix the issue as well as fix these cases.
If bikes are for kids I'll never grow up.
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
Here is another area of concern.
The crank seal was leaking so bad that it was letting a lot of fuel into the magneto area and actually smelled burnt when we removed the cover.
Of course we will need to check the OHM specs on the stator to be sure that it is in good shape before we install it.
The crank seal was leaking so bad that it was letting a lot of fuel into the magneto area and actually smelled burnt when we removed the cover.
Of course we will need to check the OHM specs on the stator to be sure that it is in good shape before we install it.
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
Here is another area of concern.
The crank journal was so worn out that the bearing literally falls onto the shaft...
This should be a light press... No way should you be able to even push it on with your hands let alone letting it fall on..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgaHUiXfydQ
The crank journal was so worn out that the bearing literally falls onto the shaft...
This should be a light press... No way should you be able to even push it on with your hands let alone letting it fall on..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgaHUiXfydQ
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
Here is a related area of concern...
The crank bearings literally fell out of the case..
Again, these are a light press fit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oN3sAk_CPo
Check out these pics..
The bearing was so worn out that it started chattering inside the engine case and severely wearing out the case
This is a good argument for balancing your crank and replacing your main bearings on a regular basis..
Still more to come
The crank bearings literally fell out of the case..
Again, these are a light press fit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oN3sAk_CPo
Check out these pics..
The bearing was so worn out that it started chattering inside the engine case and severely wearing out the case
This is a good argument for balancing your crank and replacing your main bearings on a regular basis..
Still more to come
If bikes are for kids I'll never grow up.
Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
I have a '92 engine with the same chatter marks in one side of the case . will you try a repair or scrap it ?Sandblaster wrote:Here is a related area of concern...
The crank bearings literally fell out of the case..
Again, these are a light press fit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oN3sAk_CPo
Check out these pics..
The bearing was so worn out that it started chattering inside the engine case and severely wearing out the case
This is a good argument for balancing your crank and replacing your main bearings on a regular basis..
Still more to come
There's no replacement for displacement.
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
Well.... I know we can clean it up and do the JB weld repair.
They will hold for some time.
I'd rather bore it out and put a sleeve in it.
But I don't have a mill to bore it or a lathe to make the sleeve
I do know several guys with the equipment to do it but it's time consuming running parts around town.
After all you can't just drop stuff off and say bye... Guys always want to talk about what my latest plans are
Probably the best option for this customer is to get a new/used case.
But the school is still out on that as I have to discuss the options with the customer before we go much further...
They will hold for some time.
I'd rather bore it out and put a sleeve in it.
But I don't have a mill to bore it or a lathe to make the sleeve
I do know several guys with the equipment to do it but it's time consuming running parts around town.
After all you can't just drop stuff off and say bye... Guys always want to talk about what my latest plans are
Probably the best option for this customer is to get a new/used case.
But the school is still out on that as I have to discuss the options with the customer before we go much further...
If bikes are for kids I'll never grow up.
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
It just occurred to me today that I could have the case journal plated for the bearing to fit correctly.
Or, if it's not feasible I could have the OD of the main bearings plated oversize but I would need to use a different process the a tank plate job.
It would be done on a lathe
Or, if it's not feasible I could have the OD of the main bearings plated oversize but I would need to use a different process the a tank plate job.
It would be done on a lathe
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
Awesome to see you building up another one. Think about plating, it gets on everything, you gotta do the bore & sleeve. OS outer diameter bearing would work, but there's nothing that fits the bill. Keep on with the updates, I wanna see how this turns out
If you have a lathe with a a huge throw you could build a center that rides in the seal area & then turn it out from there. There's a product called a speedy sleeve, might could get one made for the bearing OD so your case cut is minimal
If you have a lathe with a a huge throw you could build a center that rides in the seal area & then turn it out from there. There's a product called a speedy sleeve, might could get one made for the bearing OD so your case cut is minimal
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Re: Building a 91 KX500 engine
With plating, they have a special tape that you use to tape off the area's you don't want to plate
But, we'll see... The school is still out on the method we will use...
But, we'll see... The school is still out on the method we will use...
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